Kelly sits down with high-performance psychologist Michael Gervais to talk about his new book “The First Rule of Mastery: Stop Worrying About What People Think of You.”

“The sooner you fundamentally change your relationship with other people’s opinions, the sooner you become free.” 

“The idea that we can take a magic pill that makes our fears disappear is seductive but not a reality.” 

“Our interdependence is an inexorable fact of life.”