Kelly talks to Katherine Morgan Schafler, a psychotherapist, writer, speaker and former on-site therapist at Google, about her new book “The Perfectionist’s Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power.”

“Perfectionism is meant to be managed, not destroyed.” 

“The language we use reflects the culture we live in.” 

“We’re all in pain, and most of us simply do not know what do about that.”