Journalist and best-selling author David Grann joins John to talk about his book, “Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI.” A film adaptation directed by Martin Scorsese and starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro, and Lily Gladstone is set to be released next week.

Listen to John’s interview with David Grann about his book, “The Wager,” here.